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		<title>Comment on Hanover Township Assholes Have a Good Laugh About Screwing Allentown by Jon Geeting</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Geeting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 17:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you believe, as I do, that the single most important public policy goal in the Lehigh Valley over the next few decades is restoring the three core cities as the central hubs of the region&#039;s economy, then Browne and Pawlowski did absolutely nothing wrong. Consequences always matter more than process. The townships winning the lawsuit would have bad consequences, so it&#039;s bad. The NIZ will have good consequences, based on my views on development politics/economics, so it&#039;s good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you believe, as I do, that the single most important public policy goal in the Lehigh Valley over the next few decades is restoring the three core cities as the central hubs of the region&#8217;s economy, then Browne and Pawlowski did absolutely nothing wrong. Consequences always matter more than process. The townships winning the lawsuit would have bad consequences, so it&#8217;s bad. The NIZ will have good consequences, based on my views on development politics/economics, so it&#8217;s good.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Pat Meehan Voted Against the House GOP&#8217;s Violence Against Women Act by Jon Geeting</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Geeting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 16:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>Comment on Postal Service as a Subsidy for Rural Living by John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 15:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my daughters has 6 of them scattered in her room. Please Jon stop advocating higher electricity rates....</description>
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		<title>Comment on Hanover Township Assholes Have a Good Laugh About Screwing Allentown by John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 15:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Publius, Pat Browne (through his wife) is taking $300k/year from Reilly and Topper.  That&#039;s hardly being ernest, in fact I think it&#039;s unethical and should be illegal.

Pawlowski wanted to use this as a springboard to the Governor&#039;s mansion (he never stood a chance, but that doesn&#039;t matter here).  So what happens?  Any NIZ problems are someone else&#039;s problem, not his.

So I&#039;m not sold on either&#039;s ernestness here.

But your last point, I agree 100% in regard to supporting Allentown.  I&#039;ve volunteered in Allentown for over 20 years and also contribute to the extent I can.  I agree with you on Hanover - they were reprehensible.  But what I also don&#039;t like is politicians getting caught pulling a fast one, then trying to blame the people that caught them.

I guess there&#039;s enough blame to go around on all sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Publius, Pat Browne (through his wife) is taking $300k/year from Reilly and Topper.  That&#8217;s hardly being ernest, in fact I think it&#8217;s unethical and should be illegal.</p>
<p>Pawlowski wanted to use this as a springboard to the Governor&#8217;s mansion (he never stood a chance, but that doesn&#8217;t matter here).  So what happens?  Any NIZ problems are someone else&#8217;s problem, not his.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m not sold on either&#8217;s ernestness here.</p>
<p>But your last point, I agree 100% in regard to supporting Allentown.  I&#8217;ve volunteered in Allentown for over 20 years and also contribute to the extent I can.  I agree with you on Hanover &#8211; they were reprehensible.  But what I also don&#8217;t like is politicians getting caught pulling a fast one, then trying to blame the people that caught them.</p>
<p>I guess there&#8217;s enough blame to go around on all sides.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hanover Township Assholes Have a Good Laugh About Screwing Allentown by John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 15:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich, if Pat only represented Allentown then I&#039;d concede your point.

But his district is large, and Allentown is only a part of it.   He absolutely had a responsibility to inform all his constituents, or at a minimum the elected officials of the townships in his district, because this legislation directly impacts them.   He didn&#039;t do that, and in my opinion abrogated his responsibility.

He snuck it in, that&#039;s clear as day.  He doesn&#039;t even try to defend that anymore because he knows no one (including most NIZ supporters) believe him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich, if Pat only represented Allentown then I&#8217;d concede your point.</p>
<p>But his district is large, and Allentown is only a part of it.   He absolutely had a responsibility to inform all his constituents, or at a minimum the elected officials of the townships in his district, because this legislation directly impacts them.   He didn&#8217;t do that, and in my opinion abrogated his responsibility.</p>
<p>He snuck it in, that&#8217;s clear as day.  He doesn&#8217;t even try to defend that anymore because he knows no one (including most NIZ supporters) believe him.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Postal Service as a Subsidy for Rural Living by GDub</title>
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		<dc:creator>GDub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 15:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really?  I only found out today!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really?  I only found out today!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hanover Township Assholes Have a Good Laugh About Screwing Allentown by GDub</title>
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		<dc:creator>GDub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 14:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Hanover guys are clearly clowns.  You are never &quot;off the record&quot; as a public official.  But I think what this case shows is that when you want to have a big project with a lot of stakeholders (voluntary or not), it pays to negotiate before contracts are signed and it is worth knowing what you are paying before you buy.

1.  Is the EIT share necessary or not?  If Allentown can (nearly) promise it back on an annual basis, that would suggest the EIT is &#039;extra&#039;.  But if they can&#039;t get funding without it, that suggests that it isn&#039;t &#039;extra&#039;.  The fact that no one can come up with any kind of numbers makes me wonder how this money led to any sort of rational calculation about assets available.

2.  Allentown could have negotiated with the suburbs with the threat of legislation in the back pocket.  They may not have got everything they wanted, but they probably wouldn&#039;t have been left with zero either.  They could have thought out the EIT issue and devoted it to something truly &quot;regional&quot; (like transportation links) to make it a bit more palatable. Maybe the arena is built in 2014 and not 2013, but at least its built with a quality financing plan and backing by the folks affected.  Since the Brooks are getting a nice market and a free arena, and the Flyers get an affiliate 1 hour up the road, I think they can wait. 

I don&#039;t think (in all cases) that this is a case of suburbs trying to work over the city.  Like it or not, these are existing municipalities that have expenses and budgets too, and having legitimate interests they can be expected to defend them by all legal means.  Folks can rail against suburban development, or EIT arrangements, or whatever--but at the end of the day you govern in the world you live in, not the world you want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Hanover guys are clearly clowns.  You are never &#8220;off the record&#8221; as a public official.  But I think what this case shows is that when you want to have a big project with a lot of stakeholders (voluntary or not), it pays to negotiate before contracts are signed and it is worth knowing what you are paying before you buy.</p>
<p>1.  Is the EIT share necessary or not?  If Allentown can (nearly) promise it back on an annual basis, that would suggest the EIT is &#8216;extra&#8217;.  But if they can&#8217;t get funding without it, that suggests that it isn&#8217;t &#8216;extra&#8217;.  The fact that no one can come up with any kind of numbers makes me wonder how this money led to any sort of rational calculation about assets available.</p>
<p>2.  Allentown could have negotiated with the suburbs with the threat of legislation in the back pocket.  They may not have got everything they wanted, but they probably wouldn&#8217;t have been left with zero either.  They could have thought out the EIT issue and devoted it to something truly &#8220;regional&#8221; (like transportation links) to make it a bit more palatable. Maybe the arena is built in 2014 and not 2013, but at least its built with a quality financing plan and backing by the folks affected.  Since the Brooks are getting a nice market and a free arena, and the Flyers get an affiliate 1 hour up the road, I think they can wait. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think (in all cases) that this is a case of suburbs trying to work over the city.  Like it or not, these are existing municipalities that have expenses and budgets too, and having legitimate interests they can be expected to defend them by all legal means.  Folks can rail against suburban development, or EIT arrangements, or whatever&#8211;but at the end of the day you govern in the world you live in, not the world you want.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hanover Township Assholes Have a Good Laugh About Screwing Allentown by Publius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 14:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess in retrospect some things could have been handled better, but, frankly, when the project is up against jokers like this who don&#039;t give the slightest damn, it would have been impossible to get anything anyway.  I mean, for forty years, Allentown has been trying to play it on the straight and get some sort of regional support.  It failed badly because no one else wanted to go to the city, let alone share tax revenue.  Something big had to happen and it did.   It was destined to cause heartburn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess in retrospect some things could have been handled better, but, frankly, when the project is up against jokers like this who don&#8217;t give the slightest damn, it would have been impossible to get anything anyway.  I mean, for forty years, Allentown has been trying to play it on the straight and get some sort of regional support.  It failed badly because no one else wanted to go to the city, let alone share tax revenue.  Something big had to happen and it did.   It was destined to cause heartburn.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hanover Township Assholes Have a Good Laugh About Screwing Allentown by Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 14:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Btw, I also think this is a non-issue. So what, they joked? Frankly, if Allentown blows this, they deserved to. It was so badly mishandled, it&#039;s not funny. Great idea to build an arena, also a great idea to build office space, but awful idea to legislatively do this in this way, and even worse political and administrative handling. If they had only had their numbers straight, some of these towns would have backed away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Btw, I also think this is a non-issue. So what, they joked? Frankly, if Allentown blows this, they deserved to. It was so badly mishandled, it&#8217;s not funny. Great idea to build an arena, also a great idea to build office space, but awful idea to legislatively do this in this way, and even worse political and administrative handling. If they had only had their numbers straight, some of these towns would have backed away.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hanover Township Assholes Have a Good Laugh About Screwing Allentown by Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 14:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, not everyone accepts your definition of reprehensible here. Pat Browne had zero, zilch, nada obligation to go down on the Senate floor in 2009 and announce to the rest of the Senate that he secured language in the fiscal code, nor should he have. Probably half the place tries to secure language any year. If members of the legislature did not read the bill, or the bullet points that leadership staff provide them, and their staff failed too, and then they voted for the fiscal code doing this, it is on them. None of this bullshit that he had &quot;bad conduct&quot; here. No he didn&#039;t. He legislated. I happen to think this wasn&#039;t a bright idea, and that his staff was lazy in informing towns in his constituency, but that&#039;s not what you&#039;re complaining about. You&#039;re saying he &quot;snuck it in.&quot; No, he didn&#039;t. They had plenty of chances to read the bill and stop it, and didn&#039;t. Besides all of that, knowing the way Harrisburg works a bit, the budget and fiscal code are almost full-time in discussion. This didn&#039;t creep up out of thin air in half a day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, not everyone accepts your definition of reprehensible here. Pat Browne had zero, zilch, nada obligation to go down on the Senate floor in 2009 and announce to the rest of the Senate that he secured language in the fiscal code, nor should he have. Probably half the place tries to secure language any year. If members of the legislature did not read the bill, or the bullet points that leadership staff provide them, and their staff failed too, and then they voted for the fiscal code doing this, it is on them. None of this bullshit that he had &#8220;bad conduct&#8221; here. No he didn&#8217;t. He legislated. I happen to think this wasn&#8217;t a bright idea, and that his staff was lazy in informing towns in his constituency, but that&#8217;s not what you&#8217;re complaining about. You&#8217;re saying he &#8220;snuck it in.&#8221; No, he didn&#8217;t. They had plenty of chances to read the bill and stop it, and didn&#8217;t. Besides all of that, knowing the way Harrisburg works a bit, the budget and fiscal code are almost full-time in discussion. This didn&#8217;t creep up out of thin air in half a day.</p>
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